I do a lot of east coast riding so ice is what your get most of the time. I had a arbor, which I liked it’s grip tech edge hold. Then I decided I wanted to try the t.rice pro and custom Flying V. I demo the boards on a icey day, and was shocked how hard I was able to push the lib tech board compared to my arbor. I was sold that day, I ordered a 2018 157w t.rice pro HP edition. And sold the arbor the next day. I don’t regret it at all. After a month of owning this board and 10 days of use I finally get a powder day and boom, blasted right through the powder with ease. Even though it doesn’t suggest it in the specs. To me this is my all around board, and the magne traction owns the ice while the HP construction plows through the powder. And let’s not forget that it’s built in America.